I have not bought this PR-24 from Galls YET! I'm ordering one because this is a great buy. I've been an officer for 30 years now and out of the patons that I've used, none are better than a PR-24 if you know how to use it. Just like any other equipment you have to train and learn how to use it. One on one or in a bar fight, I want a PR-24 over any other paton.