I buy these in the women's cut. I have blk, green & khaki. I'm thick: butt & thighs. A size 14 in the real world. The blk faded immediately. It's not worth it even on sale. Now, I wear them on my natural waste because of the duty rig; therefore, the flexible waist band is negligible- no flex in the duty rig. W/O the rig, yes, the crutch is low. My thighs can feel each other when worn on my waist or lower. I don't care how my butt looks because I'm at work. Yes, I will buy them but not the black pant, because They work for work.