I have always used a keeperless duty belt system. Always used Bianchi and bought the most expensive cause it worked sometimes. Replaced the inner belt with a Galls, boy what a difference. The belt is stiff, ridged, wont sag at the pants belt loops and the velcro is awsome, cant nearly get the duty belt off its so sticky. Is what I have been looking for for along time. no keepers necessary for sure.